Between Shri S N Goenka and K
Question for Shri
S. N. Goenka about his meeting with J Krishnamurti (K)
did not believe in a technique or gurus. I believe you met him, did
you discuss this?
by S. N. Goenka:
Certainly, I met
him. He was a very saintly person, and I very much understood why he
is against technique and why he is against gurus. Because he observed
the situation all over the country where gurus just exploit the people
saying "Look I am your guru and you are my disciple, you are so
weak, how can you liberate yourself ? Just surrender to me and I will
liberate you. I will liberate you."
This is exploitation
by gurus, this is against Dhamma and when you talk of technique that
means you have got one object and you are just working with one object.
It does not take you to the final goal.
Things are changing
from moment to moment you are observing, you are observing. (This is
Vipassana, this is not a technique, Vipassana is not a technique, it
is a process of observation.)
So I discussed with
him "Well in age you are an elderly person and in experience also
you are an elderly person." It was 30 years ago when we met. "You
are elderly so let me know if I am making any mistake. I am teaching
Vipassana because I got benefit from it and I want to share my benefit
with others. That is the only reason. If I am making any mistake please
tell me''. then he (K) asked me "First day what you teach?''. (I
replied and he said)
''Oh! This is not
a technique''...second day... (K said) ''This is not a technique''.
And guru? (I said) "I never say that I will liberate you, you have to work out your own liberation. A guru can only show the path then only sadguru. Otherwise if he tries to exploit then he is not a guru, he is harmful to the country." He said, "no this is not gurudom." He accepted both.